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    Posted: 1/08/10 at 5:24am

Although I am in no way in the same strength/experience league as the other loggers, but I hope that I can inspire someone by them thinking, "If that guy can manage to get to the gym and try, so can I."

My brief background, I am 41, 6', 235 lbs and this is my fourth season coming up in the Games.  I have been a solo sports guy my whole life, to include tennis and rock climbing. I started lifting in 10th grade  summer (17 yrs old) out of self-preservation as I got my butt kicked daily. I obsessed at the weights and found a sense of confidence I desperately needed. Out of lack of knowledge of strength lifts, I lifted to just get bigger, as I was incredibily small.  I kid you not, the guys in the gym laughed and snickered at me when I started lifting but I made a motto I still use to this day: 'You gotta start somewhere.'  And shortly after this my personal motto: 'If you're gonna be a bear, be a grizzly!' So I have to go balls out in the gym/field, why waste your time on this planet. If God blesses me with health, I will not waste the gift.

My goals for this offseason include a 500+ Deadlift (carryover from my 40th year on Earth 500 goal, which I missed), Hang Clean 225, Push Press 225 for reps, Zercher 315 and to lose belly fat so my wife will stop with the "family history of heart attack" worries and I can live longer.

I just started the 5/3/1 program with these maxes and exercises:

DL: 475, DB Incline 120, Hang Clean 190, Push Press 185, Zercher 265 and DB Snatch 105.  Along with Core work and throwing, this is all I am doing, no accessory lifts/exercises. I am keeping it simple. I lift 3 days a week and do cardio 2 days. I throw 1 day a week, weather permitting.

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Here is week one/Cycle 1:

Monday:  Deads and DB Incline

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320x5, 340x5, 360x10

I learned I needed competition in the gym from either younger kids or the alpha males.  The previous week I got 2 extra reps on the final set due to this, this week I worked out in my office gym.

Incline DB

80x5, 85x5, 90x10.  Same as before, got 12 last week.

Tuesday: Cardio (30 minutes on the eliptical)

Wednesday: Hang Cleans and Push Press

Hang Cleans: 130x5, 135x5, 145x8 Grip became a factor at end, either need to use straps or get stronger.

Push Press: 125x5, 130x5, 140x12. Good Effort (GE) and Good intensity (GI) on these.

Hammer Swings: 16lb: 3 sets of 10 swings smooth, 3 sets of 5 swings working on speed.

Thursday: Cardio (30 minutes on the eliptical)

Friday: Zercher and DB Snatch

Zercher: 180x5, 190x5, 205x10 (crapped my spandex alittle on rep 3 of the last set to be honest, had to go change .) NO QUIT!

DB Snatch: 70x5, 75x5, 80x10 each hand. GE and GI on the last set.

Happy to start with a good full week with no missed workouts. Proud to join you boys in the Log club, I will bring up the rear to make yall feel good.

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Mountain of a Man,

That is a heck of a lot of reps...seems almost like cardio to me!  Maybe back off some of those 10/12 rep sets...move toward a different split. 

I have it on good advice that many of the real explosive monsters out here push and pull twice a week, give or take. 

Try a 5x5 or 5x3 on the HEAVY throwing-specific lifts?

Not bagging on your lifting, but this seems a tad excessive, particularly because I know you are capable of MUCH more, particularly poundage. 

And screw the alpha males in the gym...you are competing against me, and everyone else who reads this board and plays this Game.  Train against us...those other guys can pound sand.

Get some.

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Originally posted by Duncan McCallum Duncan McCallum wrote:

Mountain of a Man,

That is a heck of a lot of reps...seems almost like cardio to me!  Maybe back off some of those 10/12 rep sets...move toward a different split. 

I have it on good advice that many of the real explosive monsters out here push and pull twice a week, give or take. 

Try a 5x5 or 5x3 on the HEAVY throwing-specific lifts?

Not bagging on your lifting, but this seems a tad excessive, particularly because I know you are capable of MUCH more, particularly poundage. 

And screw the alpha males in the gym...you are competing against me, and everyone else who reads this board and plays this Game.  Train against us...those other guys can pound sand.

Get some.



His sets of 10 aren't purposefully 10s, the 5/3/1 program calls for the last set to be as many reps as possible.  If you haven't read that program, it's good reading, buy it.
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Duh...my bad Robin.

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No problem Duncan and thanks Craig for the clarification.  It is a lot of reps, particularly today with the DB Snatches (major winded and I thought that by doing each hand, that's 40 times my legs did a snatch, totalling the 3 working sets).

That's is a butt kicker of a last set for the 5/3/1 program in that it is completely up to you and your self-honesty if you could just stop at 5 or keep going.  For me its a grizzly thing.

MM

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Grizzly Bear? I thought you were a donkey chasing a carrot. I just started my workouts in late Dec. I hope we meet somewhere so you can get another shot at the old man. By the look of your workouts I will not have  much to worry about. (A little smack talk.) Keep up the hard work Robin. You're going to need it. (A little more smack talk.) 
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It is officially on like donkey kong Mr Baty, I proclaim it and let it be marked.  I am indeed the donkey to your carrot, but this year will be the year, mark my words.

And any and all smack talk is more than welcome, as you know. I use it to motivate me.  I will have to take you down this year as your are getting up there in years (smack back at ya), and as you say "you won't be around forever." 

I saw your workout on SSAAA and you better get a heater in your gym for your joints so you can lift something heavier than your 242 lbs.

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Originally posted by Duncan McCallum Duncan McCallum wrote:

And screw the alpha males in the gym...you are competing against me, and everyone else who reads this board and plays this Game.  Train against us...those other guys can pound sand.

Get some.



No pressure at ALL!    Thanks Dunc...I was almost reassured by your other post.

I agree about the reps though...those 10's and 12's are throw back to hypertrophy lifting (bodybuilding).  They may make you all swole up but they won't necessarily make you stronger.  I am in the 5-8 range (occasionally a 10 for warmups) on most stuff.
Since this is your first phase...make sure to do the rep calculations off those 10 rep sets and set the max's for your next phase.
(What you can do now, what I did on my first, was just check to make sure I was being consistent...if you get 10 on 5's, then see if you can get 6's on the threes and 2 or three on the singles...then you average all those rep calculations for your next max.)

Believe me...when you set it right...that first 5 is hard to get!

Another tip I am taking from a different vid I watched (and some guys that showed up in St. Louis) is to lift explosively.  Push the speed on your lifts.  I have always just grunted through my lifts...and I could tell last year I was slow as a snail compared to some.  So lifting with speed when I can on my lifts.

Go get em'!  I understand the left over goal from your 40th! 
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Thanks for the tip about recalculating the maxes Dave, I did think these were too light but I thought about the volume "base" Stewart does (like the 10x10 squats, etc) and thought this was that part of the program.

Are you using the Excel spreadsheet?
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Robin, Next week it will be warmer. I'll get the weights up a little so I can stay up with you.
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Originally posted by J. Baty J. Baty wrote:

Robin, Next week it will be warmer. I'll get the weights up a little so I can stay up with you.


......the sarcasm dripping from your post got on my keyboard.

I can't wait to throw with you this year my friend.
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I'm using the 5/3/1 program for my Power lifts as well.  I really like it because it gives me some structure.  I set my DL's too low, reset it and still keep getting 10's.
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Good the know Andrew, and good for you still getting 10s.

Cycle 1: Week 2 (the "3" week)
The goal for this week is for the working sets to get 3 reps, 3 reps and then at least 3 reps (as many as you can do)

Deads:
340x3
360x3
385x7

Really focused on good form here, and thanks to Dave's video, I kept my butt down much better by dipping down/squating down alittle on each rep in an effort to get my butt further down. Worked. I think I finally have my form down: I need to to this dipping thing, focus at about a 45 degree downward and out front, chest up, etc. Felt like I got it together last night.  Bunch of curlers and benchers in the gym, plenty of douches to focus the nasty.

Incline DB:
85x3
90x3
95x10
Went for a quick pop up on each rep as in the braemar.

Hammer swings: 5 sets of 10 swings focusing on smooth swings without any hitches.  Did ok.  Scared the crap out of many a folk in the gym.

Tuesday:  Stupid sinuses kept me at home and out today. No cardio.

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Originally posted by Mountain Man Mountain Man wrote:

Bunch of curlers and benchers in the gym, plenty of douches to focus the nasty.

 

 Awesome

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Originally posted by Mountain Man Mountain Man wrote:

  Bunch of curlers and benchers in the gym, plenty of douches to focus the nasty.


+1 on the awesome.

This getting nasty stuff must be powerful...SEVEN reps?!?!  DANG  Today was my three too, but I only got 4 on my incline presses.  (My story is that I was supposed to do 105's but after 100 they only go up by tens in my gym!)

Glad the vid helped...I'm surprised it helped...but hey.  I post them really to get Travis and Duncan riled up at my nasty form.   (But I'm working on it.)
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Try to focus on that nasty 500lb deadlift instead of the other nasty's in the gym.
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Originally posted by J. Baty J. Baty wrote:

Try to focus on that nasty 500lb deadlift instead of the other nasty's in the gym.

Are you kidding...five wheels is scary!  

Don't stare at it too long...it wins!! 

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Originally posted by dl_buffy dl_buffy wrote:

I post them really to get Travis and Duncan riled up at my nasty form.   (But I'm working on it.)

Everyone will find their own unique form that works best for them. Like me, I'm a fat man so my form isn't the same as a skinny fellow.

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Couple yrs ago at a college gym I guess I had "The Nasty" all over my face like cake. I'd just got done doing squats in the cage and turned around to go to the drinking fountain. As I turned and took a step a guy about my age about 6 feet away coming my way actually jumped straight up in the air off the floor and then darted out of my way like I was going to knife him. I'm really a nice guy and thought about apologizing for a second but kept my game face and kept going. Gave me a chuckle anyway.
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(as we all hijack the thread...)

I was told I was being mean to the weights the other day...that is why they bit me later giving me a blood blister.  Talk about nasty...I am scaring the 45's.

Ok Robin....what did you want to talk about here...

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Yeah sorry didn't mean to hijack. Your guys posts help me stay motivated as I lift alone.A few of us here are around the same age and lifting level. I'm still rooting for you to bust that 500 dead MM. Meant to ask also do you take a 16# hammer to the gym for hammer winds?
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No highjacking took place at all. I love tales of the Nasty. I wrote on the Dead Thread that I was gonna make a shirt of Myles statement: "I will go anywhere to get my nasty" but thought no one would get it...or they would get it in the wrong context and those kind of looks I don't want/need. I am a nice guy too but my kids told me scare the crap out them with my "mean face" when lifting. I cooralate it to the look Mel Gibson had when he looked at his kids all bloodyfaced after tomahawking the crap out of that soldier in the Patriot.  Still laugh at that one: I said in the theater to my wife, "no one's gonna backtalk Dad tonight."

I appreciate the support Bill re: the 500. I am planning on one more cycle with the 5/3/1 and on the 1 day I am gonna get it.

I have contraption I made to simulate the hammer wind, works pretty good.

Hang Cleans and Push Presses tonight.

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Wednesday 1/13/2010:

Admin note: I have always judged my effort level and intensity level on each set. GE=good, GrE=great and SE=super, total nasty effort or intensity.

Hang Cleans: my "3" week

135x3 GE, 145x3 GE,

155x 4 w/o straps, 3 more with straps=total of 7. GrE, GrI

QUESTION: Is there a good way of bringing the bar back down from the clean position without feeling like I am pulling my shoulder out of socket?  I am bringing the bar down, my hips come out and I catch the bar at a dead hang...end up getting a tweak in my left shoulder.

Push Press:

130x3 GE + GF (form), 140x3 GE

150x11 (3 was the goal)  GrE + GrI  Wanted a great effort and intensity.

Hammer Swings: 18lb, 3 sets of 10 swings smooth focus, 2x5 working on speed.

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To answer your question:  there are two things you can do, and it's recommended you do both.
  • Rather than pushing the bar into mid-air from the clean position, slide the bar down your body.
  • Rather than letting your arms go dead straight at the bottom, bend at the hips to take the weight on your thighs.

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THANK YOU! I was heading toward an injury for sure.
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Originally posted by Wayne Hill Wayne Hill wrote:

To answer your question:  there are two things you can do, and it's recommended you do both.
  • Rather than pushing the bar into mid-air from the clean position, slide the bar down your body.
  • Rather than letting your arms go dead straight at the bottom, bend at the hips to take the weight on your thighs.

Good question Robin, I've been doing second of Wayne's points, not the first.  Learned something to try and see.

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Thursday:

Threw WFD last night:

42 for 5 or so throws and then the 28 for about 10...NOT PRETTY! Turns out lifting weights alone won't make the weights go farther, go figure.  I am going to really start incorporating throwing more into my off-season training. The Mrs threw also last night with me and came to the same conclusion that technique doesn't come overnight. I was thinking of Craig's quote last night: Getting strong is easy, throwing is the hard part.  True dat, although getting strong isn't overly easy either.....

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An EXCELLENT plan Hoss.  Bring that A game to Texas.

I dare you!!!

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You make that a triple dog dare and ITS ON!

Friday 1/15/10:

Zerchers: "3" Week
195x3
205x3 Felt strong, GE, GI
215x12 SI (I am talking about frothing at the mouth INTENSITY on this set! I was listening to "Shoot to thrill" at the time, banging my head mid-set and loving the moment.)

DB Snatch:
75x3 each hand
80x3 each hand
85x6 each hand  GrI, these really test your will and wind.

Loved getting my nasty on tonight, great way to end the week. Got all this in plus a stretch at the end in an hour.  Working the Saints game tomorrow and resting the weekend.

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