Extreme Underweight and Overweight

Not a question on obesity and excessive thinness.

I'll be acquiring a 56lb HWFD at Thom's games (thanks again Thom!) on the 9th so I'll be set with that implement and won't have to cobble together another homemade HWFD implement.  Until then I've been training with a 28lb LWFD homemade implement and even used a 14lb women's LWFD implement and I really think the lighter weight helped me get my footwork more dialed-in than it has been. 

I know there has to be a point of diminishing returns concerning implement weights in practice.  What are the limits?  Will using a 14lb WFD be beneficial to me and have direct carryover to throwing the 28lb WFD and 56lb WFD farther?  I don't want to put in a bunch of workouts with the 14lb WFD and then find out that I've been wasting my time and that I should've just thrown a heavier implement.  It's been easy to throw it with my wife though and not have to change the weight on the homemade WFD so that's why I've been throwing it in the first place. 

Does anyone throw WFD implements that are significantly over 56lbs?  Since everything seems to be doubled in the WFD (14, 28, 56) I wonder if anyone throws a 112lb WFD.  That sounds crazy to me but it would have the benefit of making everything else feel lighter. 

+1
Extreme overweight imps screw your timing up...though I have it on good advice that using overweight hammers for strength and underweight hammers for speed and positions are the bizness.

Are you guys recommending that Ben train with a 42# WFD then?
If staying within a 10# weight difference is suggested, then a 42#r would be
appropriate right?
I trained WFD for 2mo with a 14#r and got helped me figure out how to spin
and choose my orbit. Now, I can warm up with the 14#r, but it screws with
my timing since it's too light.
This same formula of training too heavy with any implement should be
sound then.

I am confused

You don't think those 4lbs, or 14% of a 28lb weight is significant?

I assure you that it is. 

I'm not going to speak on this subject because I have no direct knowledge or experience with it, but it has been discussed here before and probably ad nauseum in track and field circles. 

On a similar note, everyone wants to reinvent the wheel and make training for HG much more difficult than it needs to be, and sometimes I just don't understand why.   

Sorry if I'm irritating some of you with my question about the details of training for HG.  That's really not my intention and I have tried to use the search function often to find the answers.  Often there's no better way to find out than to ask what others have already encountered.  That way I can skip some of the "learning curve" and theoretically at least start training in the most efficient way possible for me right now.  I definitely appreciate the help and I have a lot to learn about the games.

Not irritating at all Ben, it's just stuff that's already been discussed and can be found with a little looking around.  There is probably more than this but a super quick search revealed:

http://nasgaweb.com/forums/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6270

http://nasgaweb.com/forums/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6185&am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;KW=underweight

http://nasgaweb.com/forums/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1937&am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;KW=underweight

http://nasgaweb.com/forums/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1168&am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;KW=underweight

http://nasgaweb.com/forums/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1164&am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;KW=underweight

http://nasgaweb.com/forums/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4650&am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;KW=underweight

http://nasgaweb.com/forums/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2840&am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;KW=underweight

http://nasgaweb.com/forums/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6478&am p;am p;am p;am p;am p;KW=underweight

Robert Troupe would do that.

ouch. I would never do that. well, probably never.

Karl Dodge (former owner of the 56 for distance world record at 47'11) got me into the idea of throwing slightly underweight weights )  His thought was that a 52 lb weight basically still feels like 56, but the lighter weight lets you get more throws in before fatigue and also really helps build confidence. He always said that gameday adrenaline would make up for the extra 4 pounds...

will barron wrote: ouch. I would never do that. well, probably never. Karl Dodge (former owner of the 56 for distance world record at 47'11) got me into the idea of throwing slightly underweight weights )  His thought was that a 52 lb weight basically still feels like 56, but the lighter weight lets you get more throws in before fatigue and also really helps build confidence. He always said that gameday adrenaline would make up for the extra 4 pounds...

I routinely train the weights for distance with 24lb and 36lb implements.  They feel the same as the regulation weights but I can get more throws in before running out of gas.  At my age, this is important. Last few throws are with the full weight implements.

I have hammers weighing 10, 12, 14, 16, and 22lbs. The lighter ones are for warm up throws and the regulation weight hammers are for the finishing throws.  I also have a 19lb hammer that I never throw.

I'm 62 and compete in the 60+ class so YMMV.

BTW, overweight and underweight implements are pretty much home made items.  It's all about having a passion for throwing.