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Athlete

Date

Bodyweight

Height

Power Clean

Push Press

Front Squat

Total

Power Ratio

PC/FS

PR*Total

Andrew Gillie

Dec-07

195

5'7"

185

170

245

600

3.08

75.5%

1846.2

Beau Fay

Jan-08

247

6'2"

319

287

405

1011

4.09

78.8%

4138.1

Bert Sorin

Dec-07

244

6'3"

325

280

405

1010

4.14

80.2%

4180.7

BJ Ketchem

Mar-08

219

5'6"

255

270

330

855

3.90

77.3%

3338.0

BJ Ketchem

Jan-08

223

5'6"

240

260

300

800

3.59

80.0%

2870.0

Chris Rice

Jan-08

200

6'2"

220

175

250

645

3.23

88.0%

2080.1

Craig Smith

Mar-08

270

6'2"

 

 

555

 

 

 

 

Craig Smith

Jan-08

270

6'2"

257

340

530

1127

4.17

48.5%

4704.2

Dave Barron

Dec-07

275

6'2"

345

295

405

1045

3.80

85.2%

3971.0

David Pullin

Dec-07

205

5'11"

165

165

215

545

2.66

76.7%

1448.9

Graeme Allan

Dec-07

242

6'1"

341

291.5

407

1039.5

4.30

83.8%

4465.1

Hapy

Dec-07

248

6'0"

225

215

345

785

3.17

65.2%

2484.8

Jeff Chapman

Dec-07

222

5'11'

255

255

325

835

3.76

78.5%

3140.7

Joel Sim

Feb-08

239

6'0"

250

240

295

785

3.28

84.7%

2578.3

Joel Sim

Jan-08

241

6'0"

245

230

275

750

3.11

89.1%

2334.0

Joel Sim

Dec-07

235

6'0"

235

215

245

695

2.96

95.9%

2055.4

Jono Macfarlane

Dec-07

288

6'4"

363

308

485

1156

4.01

74.8%

4640.1

Josh K

Jan-08

275

5'9"

245

315

385

945

3.44

63.6%

3247.4

Josh K

Dec-07

275

5'9"

235

255

365

855

3.11

64.4%

2658.3

Kevin Rogers

Dec-07

200

5'10

205

215

295

715

3.58

69.5%

2556.1

Bill Gray

Feb-08

228

5'9"

195

205

225

625

2.74

86.7%

1713.3

Lyle

Feb-08

241

5'11"

315

295

410

1020

4.23

76.8%

4317.0

Mark Valenti

Dec-07

297

6'0"

350

340

475

1165

3.92

73.7%

4569.8

Mike Berby

Dec-07

190

5'9"

225

240

315

780

4.11

71.4%

3202.1

Micheal Dickens

Mar-08

270

6'1"

295

275

405

975

3.61

72.8%

3520.8

Micheal Dickens

Feb-08

265

6'1"

275

275

365

915

3.45

75.3%

3159.3

Nathan Burchett

Dec-07

198

6'2"

245

255

325

825

4.17

75.4%

3437.5

Peter Ingleton

Dec-07

260

6'3"

275

235

363

873

3.36

75.8%

2931.3

Sean Betz

Feb-08

290

6'5"

352

330

420

1102

3.80

83.8%

4187.6

Steve Anderson

Jan-08

235

6'2"

286

297

400

983

4.18

71.5%

4111.9

Terri James

Dec-07

171

5'6.5"

189

187

240

616

3.60

78.8%

2219.0

Tony Robinson

Dec-07

275

6'0"

245

245

405

895

3.25

60.5%

2912.8

Wes Kiser

Nov-08

265

6'2"

345

300

450

1095

4.13

76.7%

4524.6

Will Barron

Jan-08

275

6'2"

285

300

355

940

3.42

80.3%

3213.1

Will Tagye

Jan-08

230

5'11"

255

245

325

825

3.59

78.5%

2959.2

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Athlete

Date

Bodyweight

Height

Power Clean

Push Press

Front Squat

Total

Power Ratio

PC/FS

PR*Total

Craig Smith

Jan-08

270

6'2"

257

340

530

1127

4.17

48.5%

4704.2

Jono Macfarlane

Dec-07

288

6'4"

363

308

485

1156

4.01

74.8%

4640.1

Mark Valenti

Dec-07

297

6'0"

350

340

475

1165

3.92

73.7%

4569.8

Wes Kiser

Nov-08

265

6'2"

345

300

450

1095

4.13

76.7%

4524.6

Graeme Allan

Dec-07

242

6'1"

341

291.5

407

1039.5

4.30

83.8%

4465.1

Lyle

Feb-08

241

5'11"

315

295

410

1020

4.23

76.8%

4317.0

Sean Betz

Feb-08

290

6'5"

352

330

420

1102

3.80

83.8%

4187.6

Bert Sorin

Dec-07

244

6'3"

325

280

405

1010

4.14

80.2%

4180.7

Beau Fay

Jan-08

247

6'2"

319

287

405

1011

4.09

78.8%

4138.1

Steve Anderson

Jan-08

235

6'2"

286

297

400

983

4.18

71.5%

4111.9

Dave Barron

Dec-07

275

6'2"

345

295

405

1045

3.80

85.2%

3971.0

Micheal Dickens

Mar-08

270

6'1"

295

275

405

975

3.61

72.8%

3520.8

Nathan Burchett

Dec-07

198

6'2"

245

255

325

825

4.17

75.4%

3437.5

BJ Ketchem

Mar-08

219

5'6"

255

270

330

855

3.90

77.3%

3338.0

Josh K

Jan-08

275

5'9"

245

315

385

945

3.44

63.6%

3247.4

Will Barron

Jan-08

275

6'2"

285

300

355

940

3.42

80.3%

3213.1

Mike Berby

Dec-07

190

5'9"

225

240

315

780

4.11

71.4%

3202.1

Micheal Dickens

Feb-08

265

6'1"

275

275

365

915

3.45

75.3%

3159.3

Jeff Chapman

Dec-07

222

5'11'

255

255

325

835

3.76

78.5%

3140.7

Will Tagye

Jan-08

230

5'11"

255

245

325

825

3.59

78.5%

2959.2

Peter Ingleton

Dec-07

260

6'3"

275

235

363

873

3.36

75.8%

2931.3

Tony Robinson

Dec-07

275

6'0"

245

245

405

895

3.25

60.5%

2912.8

BJ Ketchem

Jan-08

223

5'6"

240

260

300

800

3.59

80.0%

2870.0

Josh K

Dec-07

275

5'9"

235

255

365

855

3.11

64.4%

2658.3

Joel Sim

Feb-08

239

6'0"

250

240

295

785

3.28

84.7%

2578.3

Kevin Rogers

Dec-07

200

5'10

205

215

295

715

3.58

69.5%

2556.1

Hapy

Dec-07

248

6'0"

225

215

345

785

3.17

65.2%

2484.8

Joel Sim

Jan-08

241

6'0"

245

230

275

750

3.11

89.1%

2334.0

Terri James

Dec-07

171

5'6.5"

189

187

240

616

3.60

78.8%

2219.0

Chris Rice

Jan-08

200

6'2"

220

175

250

645

3.23

88.0%

2080.1

Joel Sim

Dec-07

235

6'0"

235

215

245

695

2.96

95.9%

2055.4

Andrew Gillie

Dec-07

195

5'7"

185

170

245

600

3.08

75.5%

1846.2

Bill Gray

Feb-08

228

5'9"

195

205

225

625

2.74

86.7%

1713.3

David Pullin

Dec-07

205

5'11"

165

165

215

545

2.66

76.7%

1448.9

Craig Smith

Mar-08

270

6'2"

 

 

555

 

      

The traditional Power Ratio test used by European T&F athletes involved taking ones max back squat, bench press, power clean, and power snatch and dividing the total by one's bodyweight.  For Highland Games athletes, I would suggest using the results one's power clean, push press, and front squat.  Even most of you who don't do power cleans regularly or think they are not that important should be able to manage a few for the purpose of this test. 

To make results comparable, l would suggest the following "rules":

1.  Power Clean - from the floor, with straps and belt allowed.

2.  Push Press - from a rack, from the front of the body to complete lock-out, belt allowed.

3.  Front squat to just below parallel, belt and neoprene or similar knee sleeves allowed but NO tight knee wraps or lifting suits (obviously!).

Those who are interested could compete on two levels:

1. Highest Power Ratio:  e.g. 300 power clean + 250 push press + 400 front squat = 950 total/260 bodyweight=3.65 power ratio.  In this case, I am not sure what ratios would be considered average/good/etc., but certainly a ratio of 4.00 would be excellent (Craig?, Bert?, ???).

2. Highest total, without regard to bodyweight.

I would be happy to chart the results of those who wish to participate.

Coach Mac - any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.

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Cool.

All in the same workout?
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Originally posted by C. Smith C. Smith wrote:

Cool.

All in the same workout?

Ideally, yes.  Certainly all in the same week if doing them in the same workout is impossible for some reason.

 
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I realized I should have included an additional comment.  While seeing other people's results and competing with them to some extent can be fun and motivational, the real purpose is to chart your own progress and keep improving against your own past results. 

Due to the rather different ideal body structures for lifters vs. throwers, those who are the best at this type of test won't necessarily be the best throwers (technique aside).  However, improvements in this power ratio for a given individual should indicate a greater potential for long throws (again, technique aside).

 
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I think we should all do it and film it. 
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Can we use jerks instead of push presses? If so, mine are
PC = 335
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FSq= 405

all done at 275 lbs = 3.909 power ratio
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i dont like the use of a jerk in there.  i think it would skew the numbers much higher. 

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While one could use jerks instead of push presses, that will obviously change the result upward.  I think we should use push presses instead because it is a less technical lift, making it more relevant/accesible to more individuals.  In addition, it is somewhat closer to the bench press used in the original test, and might (or might not) be more relevant to the Highland Games.

Your results are obviously very good though.

 
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Im in ,but im not catching the power clean.  we should  change it to the deadlift since most of us do them and there is no room for cheating.
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Looks like fun... I will partake and film once I'm fully recovered from this stupid hand injury.  Probably within a couple weeks.

As for the old quadrathlon test we did, are we going to test this and post our results monthly?  It's been about a month for many at this point I'm guessing.
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Mark,

Sorry, but that would completely change the test.  The deadlift is already part of the other lifting challange.  This was meant to be somewhat of a response or alternative to that.  If you don't want to catch the clean, you can pull it up to somewhere past your nipples and it should be about the same. 

What's the objection to catching a clean once in a while for the purposes of testing?  Would this most likely hurt your shoulders, or what?  I am just curious.  BTW, I am not suggesting people need to do cleans instead of high-pulls regularly in their training, but it makes testing somewhat more objective, especially without a proper height indicator, which would eliminate the problem of pulling one's body DOWN to the bar instead of pulling the bar UP to the required height.

 

 
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Originally posted by Peter Ingleton Peter Ingleton wrote:

Sorry, but that would completely change the test.  The deadlift is already part of the other lifting challange.  This was meant to be somewhat of a response or alternative to that.  If you don't want to catch the clean, you can pull it up to somewhere past your nipples and it should be about the same. 

No catch, no test.  It is really common for people to be able to high pull 100+ more that their clean. 

C'mon Valenti, you can catch one.  I will too.  You should come down here and we'll test together.
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Since Mac talked about this I've been making it what I'm basing my lifting goals on.  I'm shooting for a 4.0.
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I tested this a few weeks ago and was at 3.4 (3.38).  It was the first time I had done back squats since I got sick last year so those were REALLY weak for me.  If everyone is just going to use neoprene sleves only, maybe I'll aim for 3.75.

OOps just saw the "front" squat part,  now I'll have to do it all over again, and make that 3.5.
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I caught my cleans today,,,you f**kers I could feel my tendons screaming.  I have just push press to hit on Wed. and then I will post.
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WOW,

Just had a crack at you test and ended up with:

Pc 341lbs

Jerk 291.5Lbs

FtSq 407lbs

Body Weight 242lbs

I think it all works out at 4.3 ? ? ?

Good test especially all on the same day.

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Graeme,

Very nice lifting, but you need to do a push press instead of the jerk, unless that was a typo.

 
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I'll Bite//
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its off season so its time to improve this right?
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Question - can we clean from the hang as opposed to from the floor if we wish?
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Originally posted by Beau Fay Beau Fay wrote:

Question - can we clean from the hang as opposed to from the floor if we wish?

Originally posted by First post in the thread First post in the thread wrote:

1.  Power Clean - from the floor, with straps and belt allowed.

 

Sheesh....everybody wants to change the rules.  Can i jerk?  Can i hang clean? etc....

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Gyoddddd dyammmmmit! 

Ok, I will play by the rules and accept the loss in poundage.  Crappy second pull timing. 
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lol, dont feel too bad Beau, you will still out clean me by a ton im sure.  along with everyone else. 
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Originally posted by Terri J Terri J wrote:

I'll Bite//
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FS240
PP 187(kilo plates 85K)
@ B/W 171lbs
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Yes.  Please beat Kevin Rogers' total.



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Originally posted by Wayne Hill Wayne Hill wrote:


Originally posted by Terri J Terri J wrote:

I'll Bite//
PC-189(kilo plates + magnetic 1lber)
FS240
PP 187(kilo plates 85K)
@ B/W 171lbs
616/BW171 +3.6
its off season so its time to improve this right?
Yes.  Please beat Kevin Rogers' total.(That oughta light a couple of fires.)-Wayne

wasn't meant to be like that but terri just test run a few supplements for 30 days for a company and actually had 40 days of intense training(new environment really helps for motivation)..she was motivated for her maxes in other lifts which ended on weds & Thurs..then sat she cleaned and front squatted (12/1)..PP was last week...
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Geesh Wayne-

I did em as prescribed ... and ... on video. Plus no straps, wraps or belt.

None were personal bests but its a place to start.

btw - PC/DL = 45.34%

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OK, I'm in but remember it's all about getting better, right? ...FS 245+ PC 185+PP 170=600lbs Total.  600/195BW=3.07 I used the wrist straps on the Front Squats trick, so I hope that was OK.  OK so how often should this be tested?  
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Terri box squatted to a 16" box last week 375 X 2(super explosive)..belt and wrist straps...her FS was with belt and loose rehabnds...PP was belt and wrist straps..clean the same..but straps on clean..ironmind little ones
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Originally posted by Kevin Rogers Kevin Rogers wrote:

btw - PC/DL = 45.34%

<Karnak>I see a 500# DL and 15' in your future...</Karnak>
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Karnak-

I'll work hard to make it happen.

I thought 45% of the DL showed more upside for the PC. With some work it should be around 50% or so, eh?

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