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    Posted: 9/01/06 at 5:41pm
Your just not getting all the open stone? as of late I've been creepin off the plateau I've been at for better part of a year just not real happy maybe it's due to form. Ok as best as this can be here goes:

When coming into the spin and landing with right foot (RH thrower) do some of you instantly spring off the right foot into the put or do you land and coil like a Braemar then go into the put ? is your body in a good straight line ie..head over shoulders, shoulders over waist that line or does your head lead and lower body follow? Do you coil the chin over the right shoulder instead of leaving it chin over chest, then uncoiling after blowing the left arm out during the put. Im intested in reading others input. Video if you got it.
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Since Don Stewart doesn't post here, this sounds like a good time for Dave Cheney to chime in.  He's recently had spin-putt lessons from Don Stewart, and it's been like night and day for him.

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Very cool Dave could you run down Open Stone ?


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I'll see if I can bug him about this today.

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I am no expert in this, so please stone masters, let me know if any of this
is bad advice...

Originally posted by Deakion Deakion wrote:

Ok as best as this can be here goes: When coming
into the spin and landing with right foot (RH thrower) do some of you
instantly spring off the right foot into the put or do you land and coil like
a Braemar then go into the put ?


I coil up as much as possible. Your muscles lengthened when you
planted right foot and then left foot - you need to "reset" them (especially
the legs) and also generate as much torque with your hips/core as
possible to unload on the stone for the longest amount of time.

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is your body in a good straight line ie..head over shoulders, shoulders
over waist that line or does your head lead and lower body follow? Do you
coil the chin over the right shoulder instead of leaving it chin over chest,
then uncoiling after blowing the left arm out during the put. Im intested
in reading others input. Video if you got it.


You want to generate as much torque as possible - while maintaining
balance over your feet. So, your body is now twisted, but still center of
gravity is mostly now over your back (right) foot. The first thing to drive
is your feet, as they twist forward, then your knees, hips, chest -
definitely uncoil from bottom to top. The last thing which should come
through is the stone. Thrust your left arm UP! Chest big and then right
before you shoot your right hand (with stone) up and out, block hard with
your left arm and leg, and pole vault yourself right up and out. Once the
stone is released, reverse feet to keep yourself inside the trig.

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Wow someone looking to me for advise  

I am just learning the spin but have a great coach.  The best thing I can offer is the drills that Don gave me.  They help big time!

1- if you stand in the box as if you took your first step already (both feet parellel with the trig) and go into your throw from there.  Throw from this position over and over working mainly on opening the hip and finishing the throws. ( I hope Im explaining this right)

2- Stand on your left foot right foot raised like a crane kick from Karate kid. Push off your left, land in the power position and throw.  This will help with the push of that back leg. ( its hard as hell but it helps)

I hope these help.  If you send me an email I have video of don going threw the motions.

good luck and I hope I described eveything ok.

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Dave, Hapy indeed it does, thank you, however if you have some video hit me at Deakion@yahoo.com. Thanks.

Or maybe you guys can just tell what is wrong, open practice the other day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOyoBJmtp5g

May or maynot be working just look up Open Stone Highland Games Practice..

I await your analysis




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It looks to me like you are not staying back with the stone - by the time
you hit the front you are all the way open. You can see it on the 3rd toss
(side view) especially. You havent got your left foot on the ground yet,
but you are already all the way opened up.

What I try to do is find something which is directly behind the trig which
is up in the air a bit - a flag or a tree or something (not something on the
ground) When you come around after your first drive - find that item
with your eyes, and try to keep your eyes on it for as long as possible.

Only other thing I would try to do, is keep your back a bit straighter, you
are leaning over your feet, which makes you lead with your head and
body, rather than your feet and legs. The first thing to move when you
start your spin is your right leg/foot, your body should remain in the
torqued position.

Try not to push on the stone until you have both feet on the ground!

I will see if I can find some good video for you, but I know Ryan's site has
some good stuff on it. John Gallagher's overhead view video from 2002 is
particularily good.

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Originally posted by DAVE CHENEY4 DAVE CHENEY4 wrote:

I hope these help.  If you send me an email I have video of don going threw the motions.



Dave, I would be interested if you could forward it along to adargie@yahoo.com.  Thanks

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Hapy,

I believe it is sinking in some, Dave as well, this is what Im going to work on for the next few head, back, feet aligned, not leading with head so much, (but I have a huge head so this might take a while).

but if this is right and you guys think I will help I will do this as well try and lead with the right foot and create torque with lower body (like the full spinning guys that start backwards) I guess like you said Dave stand on left foot and swing right foot/hip around to create whip, ground both feet untorge into throw.
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