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    Posted: 10/05/07 at 7:13am

Craig Smith a while back sent me an excellent calculator for bench press max assessment. 

I am now asking if there is anyone out there that could tell me what to assume a maximum incline bench would be if someone did 3 reps with 250# straight bar incline.  The same question for a 3 reps with 315#.

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I would assume that the results provided by your bench press calculator would be virtually the same for your incline bench press.  BTW, I have never heard of a calculation specifically for incline bench.  The most I have heard of are distinct calculators for bench press, squat, and power clean, all of which are obviously relatively distinct movements.  The benchpress and incline bench are obviously very similar movements and should have extremely similar repetition differentials.

 

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Originally posted by Sleeping Dragon Sleeping Dragon wrote:

Craig Smith a while back sent me an excellent calculator for bench press max assessment. 

I am now asking if there is anyone out there that could tell me what to assume a maximum incline bench would be if someone did 3 reps with 250# straight bar incline.  The same question for a 3 reps with 315#.

Thanks!

I train at home, and because I do not have a spotter cant max out very often. So when you figure out yours let me know how to calc mine, my last set of six straight bench is 275 x 6times 

I haven’t maxed out bench in well over a year and rarely do single rep sets on the bench for that reason.

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great site punch in weight lifted...reps lifted..press calcuate..pretty accurate   

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Dan, thanks!!!  That is very close to the same thing that Craig sent but it is more liberal in the number of reps and the amount of weight you can punch in.  I will say that the formulas in the calculator that Craig gave me were very accurate to my personal reality for flat bench.  This site you have provided follows the same accuracy. 

I was able to do 315x3 on the incline.  I will try for the max rep within the next couple of weeks and see if I can keep from breaking my sternum.  (I'll have a spotter) Peter, I will put the similarities to the test and I thank you for that input!

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Originally posted by S McCracken S McCracken wrote:

I train at home, and because I do not have a spotter cant max out very often.

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Originally posted by Wayne Hill Wayne Hill wrote:

Originally posted by S McCracken S McCracken wrote:

I train at home, and because I do not have a spotter cant max out very often.

Power rack.

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I know but that cost money, and I am poor. Been thinking of building one I know my gains would go way up being able to fail with big weight.

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Originally posted by dWood dWood wrote:

great site punch in weight lifted...reps lifted..press calcuate..pretty accurate   

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Thats amazing I put in my last set of six and it broke down my sets almost to the pound.

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I think that while you can generalize, there is such a difference in what people can do.  Some people are work horses and they can do 10 reps with 200 and 220 is the max, on the other hand I have seen some guys who can triple 200 and do 250 for a max.  Explosiveness?  So many factors, from external to internal. 
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Originally posted by S McCracken S McCracken wrote:

Originally posted by Wayne Hill Wayne Hill wrote:

Power rack.

I know but that cost money, and I am poor. Been thinking of building one I know my gains would go way up being able to fail with big weight.


If you're serious about that, I recommend you grossly over-build it for safety (e.g., pass the design by someone like me first).

A cheap alternative:  use adjustable saw horses, rated for 1000# or more, as safeties in benching and/or squatting.  I've known quite a few people who used them very successfully.

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What's an "incline bench"?

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You wouldn't understand.  It's one of those exercises one does sitting down.

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i don't want to hijack the thread, but since we/you are the topic, I've been meaning to ask if anyone, particularly those who lift alone, does a substitute for incline?

Its my only chest exercise since I think I read on here that it is better for the throwing than flat bench, but without being real strong in the lift (temporary), doing it by myself is a dangerous ordeal (as i found out last night). 

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I'm not sure incline really is better for the stone <cue argument>, but I'm also not clear on the risk of doing inclines alone.  I've seen examples were declines, on the other hand, were downright dangerous even with a spotter.

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Originally posted by Wayne Hill Wayne Hill wrote:

Originally posted by S McCracken S McCracken wrote:

Originally posted by Wayne Hill Wayne Hill wrote:

Power rack.

I know but that cost money, and I am poor. Been thinking of building one I know my gains would go way up being able to fail with big weight.


If you're serious about that, I recommend you grossly over-build it for safety (e.g., pass the design by someone like me first).

A cheap alternative:  use adjustable saw horses, rated for 1000# or more, as safeties in benching and/or squatting.  I've known quite a few people who used them very successfully.

-Wayne

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Originally posted by northsider northsider wrote:

i don't want to hijack the thread, but since we/you are the topic, I've been meaning to ask if anyone, particularly those who lift alone, does a substitute for incline?

Its my only chest exercise since I think I read on here that it is better for the throwing than flat bench, but without being real strong in the lift (temporary), doing it by myself is a dangerous ordeal (as i found out last night). 

I do dumbells for incline for that reason. However DBL can get exp$$$ I have more money rapped up in pairs of 5's - 100's and a rack than my mortgage cost. But when I cant push anymore I just put them down. Plus it takes a bit more muscle to move dbl than a bar.

Push Press is best for the stone.

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Do not do this at home, but I can't tell you how many times in my early training years ( when i still benched ) that I had to roll the bar down my chest and stomach and do a sit up in order to bail after a failed rep training alone. I know it's stupid, and I do not recommend. I don't think you could bail on a incline, you need a spotter for sure.

BTW I never had a big bench, I'm talking about rolling less than 315 down.

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Been there and done that, also turned one end down and let the weight slide off even more dangerous. young and dumb years ago.

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Originally posted by nesa nesa wrote:

What's an "incline bench"?

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yeah thats pretty much what happened last night. got tired, tried for one more on the incline, missed the peg, and sent the bar down on my chest, but since my bench is inside my cage, i couldn't get the bar down to the safety bars and couldn't bail the weights because of collars and the cage. had to wait with the damn weight on my chest and stomach for 5 minutes before my girlfriend helped me get my hands to one side.  fun adventure! 

so do people do push presses rather than bench or incline bench, or are they just different lifts and I should do them both because they work different parts? 

boy, this is not at all on the primary topic... sorry John 

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Move your rep range up so you can be closer to failure when you stop.  For example if you fail at 15 with a weight and do 14, you have done 14/15ths of the amount available, instead of picking a poundage you can do a triple with, and you do two, so you have only done 2/3rds of what is in there.  Cracken is right on the dumbell.  The obvious is you need a spot.
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There is definitely a danger to inclines without a spotter (straight bar).  I don't try that personally.  Dumbell inclines doesn't matter so much.  A cage with enough side adjustments and rods (not racking pins) would take out, only in my opinion, most of the risk with the straight bar.  But Steve's point about $$$ is valid here as well.

If you do have to lift alone as I have many times I don't recommend using collars at all.  I have rolled and rocked weights many times, not proud of this just bullheaded, and collars would have been a death sentence.

My weights are in my barn and the bars maintain just enough rust to keep the plates from sliding too quickly but not inhibiting in times of trouble.  Mostly I lift at work now at lunch time.  I have stacked shipping skids (at the plates) to a height on bench, that is just lower than my chest in the inhaled state.  It's a little clumsy and not 100% safe.

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Originally posted by Sleeping Dragon Sleeping Dragon wrote:

  But Steve's point about $$$ is valid here as well

The $$$ is a big problem I buy dbl's as I need them. When Im strong enough to move to the next weight I buy them.

Magnetic plate - mates help make some ajustments too. They come in 2 1/2 and 5's and they are less exspensive ( one time purchase)alternative than running out and buying the next size up dbl. Great addition to a gym any were 2 1/2 is just enough somtimes.

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